NozeCandy was bringing truth to an ESPN chat, but Josh Reid of the Times-Picayune was having none of it:
[Comment From Free Buckets: ]
How long is it going to take Monty Williams to notice that Jason Smith should never, ever, ever be on the floor and that Belinelli and Greene getting comparable minutes to Marcus Thornton is horrible?
John Reid, T-P:
Hey Free Buckets, I disagree with you about Jason Smith, I think he is a better player than Darius Songaila, who played the same role with last year's team. I like Smith's hustle and his ability to extend the defense with his mid-range shot. Marco Belinelli is the starting shooting guard and I think Willie Green and Marcus Thornton's minutes are just about even.
Assani Fisher started a discussion on whether certain bigs would be better off extending their mid-range jump shots to threes (like KG or Blatche)
Assani: I have a very tough time believing that it wouldn't be better for a long 2 point jumpshooter to work all summer on expanding his range and turn those long 2s into 3s.
aejones: range is a product of strength and a feel for the distance/gauging it. you think there are players who just can drain 21 footers but can't figure out how to hit a 24 footer because of a hypothetical line? maybe i am misunderstanding what is being talked about here.
SethyPooh: For some it's a question of mechanics - Garnett for example was never going to likely be a good 3 pt shooter with his motion. He could certainly get better than he has been/is, but is it worth it? I think we're seeing a little of that with Rose so far this year, he seems to be trying to add 3pt range (he's already taken 14 this year after 72 and 60 his first 2 years), but it's not working as yet (lol sample size, but the shots certainly don't look especially good and he's a career .240 shooter from 3)
Irish Hand: I see NBA players who certainly do have exponential declines b/f the 3pt line (due to lack of fitness/strength, form, practice). You're stating that, as NBA athletes, they essentially all have the requisite fitness/strength and thus should have exponential declines beyond the 3pt line - assuming good form (what % of NBA players iyo?) and practice (again, what % of NBA players do you think do this in the offseason?)
ClarkNasty did some hating one
aejones
My biggest issue is his attitude of "ok, I'm gonna come in and run things and clear the air for you noobs" when he's clearly completely out of touch with the actual NBA, the players in the league and recent history. Despite a pretty large amount of ignorance, it doesn't stop him from being condescending in most of his posts. Arrogant while ignorant is never an attractive trait, and it falls particularly flat when it's done in the middle of a thread with a ton of very sharp people who have followed the league far more closely and understand how to analyze it better than he, and who by and large are used to presenting and discussing ideas rather than pontificating from above.
But in the meantime, while he gets up to speed on things, I guess he's free to "settle the Derrick Rose debate" by watching 2 quarters of basketball.
Jetto asked about Brook Lopez vs Andrew Bogut.
Irish Hand responded
[Lopez] had a strong rookie season for a C, then increased his USG and efficiency in his soph season. You don't think he could do that on a decent team? If so, I suspect you're wrong. Further, you don't think he'll continue to improve in his 3rd or subsequent years?
Bogut is 4 years older and is getting 12.5M/year for the next 4 while BLopez will get about 60% of that amount over the same time (2 years left on his rookie deal, then presumably similarish salary pending new CBA). I suspect that 30 of 30 NBA teams would (correctly) take Lopez over Bogut today.
dukemagic asked about the value of getting a team into foul trouble.
kbfc responded
Fouls are complicated as a stat. Consider that when people have done regressions on the box-score, they've found that fouls correlate positively with winning. There are lots of balancing factors that go into each event that shows up as a foul in the box/PBP, and it's all really context-dependent. I'll try to say more about this when I get back to LA later tonight.
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